Submitted by Dcaldwell123
Posted 5 months ago
Hot since 5 months ago
A friend of mine did this.
When the window broke we were greeted with a blast of cold air. The AC was on. And the dog escaped through the window.
It took us two hours to find him.
LIKE A CAT hahahaha
To my knowledge, it is perfectly acceptable to break into a car with an animal inside it. As long as it is clear to you that the animal is in distress or near to death with no owner in sight. Although I do believe you are to inform the authorities first of what you're about to do.
Listened to all the arguments and down voted all the stupid "OMFG YOU CANT LEAVE A DOG IN A CAR FOR 5MINS" posts. I shall prepare for the animal lover hate...
First and foremost, you will have NO IDEA how long a dog has been in a car unless you watch it stay in that car since it's arrival. It was probably only there for a few minutes. The owner probably was only fetching a few things from his house or something. How would YOU like it if a over-zealous animal lover smashed in your window while you were locking the door. If you're really concerned, stay with it for a few minutes or call the police (as a last resort) NEVER break something in a cause that you are unsure about. Because that shit is as expensive as fuck. This'll get me a shit ton of down-votes but I agree with Tokugawa although he could have phrase A LOT better. Oh and Misterlavalamp. Get your fucking facts straight and try to be civil on the Internet. It's people like you who respond in rude manners that ruin the Internet for everyone else.
Not that any of this debate matters because, and sorry, I seriously doubt anyone in here, myself included, would have the balls. Unless it looked like the animal was seriously dying.
As I live in a relatively high-crime area, the police have much more pressing calls to attend to. They would investigate, eventually. The owner would get a warning. And would do it again. Not defending breaking someones car window. Not all police departments have the resources to take calls like this. If it were an infant, that would be a very different story. I'd watch a couple minutes, then go into the store, give the manager the license plate and say the dog is crapping/puking all over the car. That'd get the owner out in a damn hurry!
i take it youre more of a cat person
I prefer cats but that's not the point
you dont really care about anyone but yourself. you just act like you do to procure things from others. like a cat.
actually i was implying that you are pompous, self-centered and indifferent to the thoughts and feelings of others, like a cat.
Um, or CHILD?
Someone on my street left her baby in a car with all the windows rolled up on a hot summer day. It was not a good day at all
nope... dogs sit higher on my arbitrary social hierarchy. i would leave a baby to die. not a dog.
This is sarcasm... right... Because if it's not, you are a sick, sick, sick human being..
nope... i would walk away from a baby in a hot car. the world needs less people. i would probably walk away from a small dog in a car as well. but if i saw a german shepherd, lab, or pitbull in a hot car with the windows up, lets just hope you got insurance... then i would probably beat your ass when you came out and smile as they haul me off to jail. im not too worried about the dog. if youre such an asshole that you would shut her up in a hot car, then i highly doubt you take any better care of her at home. she would probably book it and never even look back.
HAHAHAHA Don't take any notice of the troll. Otherwise we'll all turn into maniacs.
However, It's guys like you who don't deserve to be on Tickld. I hope YOU had never been born
ignorant assholes like the lot of you are the reason why i love dogs and hate people
It's also the reason you'll die alone and friendless. If you prefer a dog, an animal, to a human being and would leave the latter to die, then you pretty much deserve it.
That was about Pulse not Steph
It's people like you that make me lose faith in humanity
The ONE form? You're right, save dogs but not children subjected to the same situation.
Dude, don't take it so literally...
71 people just want to watch the dogs burn...
Autoglass repair! Autoglass replace!
What if the dog is left for literally 2 minutes? I mean, if the person was travelling with his dog and ran into the supermarket for a gallon of milk, you'd be an ass for breaking his window.
You would be anyway. Not only are jacking up a person's car for a situation you don't understand, but you're also giving a good chance the dog can run away. And domestic dogs don't do very well surviving on their own; it would probably die if it ran away.
Even if the dog looks panicked, you never know the whole story. I have a rescue with severe trauma, poor little corgi mix is on prozac and occasionally xanax for his seperation anxiety. He freaks out every time we leave him home alone. If he is trapped alone in a small space (he once got himself stuck in the bathroom) he will literally chew at cage bars or door moulding until he's bleeding. When we do leave him for extended periods, it's always at home, but we have to use diapers and leave a lot of comforting things going, like leaving the radio on. Taking him with us in the car is one of the few ways the dog stays sane. However if someone comes over to the car, he freaks out. We never leave the dog alone in the car for long, and all the windows are always open 4-5 inches. Still, every time someone sees the dog freak out, we get a nasty note on the windshield and people freaking out and calling the cops. All because we left the dog alone for 10 minutes in the bloody car. My point is, you never know the situation, and should really be sure of things before you overreact.
You know interesting thing I saw at the pet store, not sure if it works, but it's like a doggie vest used for dogs with separation anxiety. It basically has pressure in a few key places that make the dog feel like it's being hugged. I don't know something to try. And if it's turns out to be crap you could always return it.
Ah yes! the thundershirt! I believe it originally was for dogs with fear of thunder, but had heard it was used often for dogs with seperation anxiety as well. We were about to look into them when we got the doggie diapers. At this point we just stick with those, and he rarely has an accident now, and when he does it ends up in the diaper at least. I haven't had to scrub a carpet in months! (He only pees on carpet for some reason, and I have yet to redo the condo to hardwood) Anyway, since we have the diapers and I don't want to strangle the dog (well, most days) by doubling up on things for him to wear; the diapers hug a little tightly already. Thanks for the advice/interest!
technically, you ARE allowed to break the window (in CA) if the dog looks to be suffering, for example, laying in a non-natural or uncomfortable position, doesnt respond if you tap the window, things like that. and if you do break a window, you have to stay there until the owner and police arrive. but if you see a dog with all the windows rolled up and he is just sittin there barking at you, you can and will be charged for breaking the window.
It's not really other peoples decision as to whether or not to break into your car because they think you're a bad owner, call the police if you're concerned. If anyone has genuinely broken someones window because of this they're just as bad if not worse.
Bad? Maybe. Worse?! No their not!
Just because one person doesn't like something doesn't give them the right to play god. Breaking a window is vandalism and against the law, if you don't like something call the police, a lot simpler than breaking a window.
(The they're was correcting myself, just so you know) and I didn't say breaking a window is ok, but you said that someone breaking a window to save a dog is worse that someone leaving their dog in a hot car that can kill them.. That's BS. Animal cruelty is against the law too.
Dogs will be fine for a long time in a car, breaking a window because the owner is taking 5-10 mins is definitely not ok and you'll get into a lot of trouble.
I work at a vet, and I've seen dead dog come in after "just ten minutes." Sure, you can call the police, but by the time they get there, the dog's brain can literally cook. Or you could just break the fucking window and save its life.
If you wouldn't leave you're baby in the car, don't leave your dog there.
Excuse me, I meant to say "a dead dog" but I typed a little too fast to respond to dumbass up there.
I always forget not to argue with idiots.
No you just have a different opinion because you're a vet, I personally don't value the life of a dog more than a human.
But you value the cost of replacing the window over an animal's life (not to mention the suffering that letting them almost literally cook in the heat of a car)? And that's setting aside your completely asinine logic of "it's worse to break a window than let a dog die because of the carelessness and stupidity of others". Please never get an animal you disgusting person.
It's also cruel to kill animals and eat them but more than half the world does that, most people choose to overlook their own hypocrisies and take higher ground because they're one of gods mistakes.
I have a pet and look after it and in that situation I just wouldn't put the dog in that situation in the first place, but I'd be extremely pissed off if I left my dog in a car for one minute to buy milk or whatever to come back to someone destroying my window.
Without getting into the fact that (humanely) killing animals for food and allowing a dog to die horribly in a car are completely separate things, I fail to see how there's hypocrisy (I'm sure you'll tell me though). I'm fairly sure the OP isn't on about just seeing a dog chilling in a car, but rather in the sun, panting like it's 110f in an enclosed space that they can't escape and generally looking not well. Because you're obviously some hippy dippy vegetarian, I'll appeal to what I can assume you can be compassionate with. Would you leave a head of cabbage in a car in that heat for a prolonged amount of time? No. Because it would wilt and you wouldn't eat it any more.
You were kind of a douche, but +5 for the cabbage thing because it made me laugh.
I got it bro don't worry, I probably was a bit of a douche but I can't get my head around how an animal's suffering is less significant than the criminal liability of a broken window.
Haha nah, I mean I was a bit of douche too. Not knockin' ya, it's quite understandable. :P
No I eat meat all the time, I'm just saying they aren't that separate, you obviously consider killing a cow or whatever to be humane, but inconceivable to a dog, I'm not saying we should go around killing dogs because they make good pets and people like them, I'm just saying people get so caught up in their own dogs it's beyond ridiculous, people don't value pets more than their family or whatever, so the argument of leaving a baby in a car isn't fair.
All I was saying was that it isn't someone else's decision to break your property to tell you how to look after your pet.
It's a matter of being humane. It isn't just a matter of death, it's a matter of suffering. And seriously, you literally said it isn't your dog so you don't care? If you watched a human dying would you say you don't care because you don't know them? If your answer is "No, I would care if it was a human" then I have a question for you that might clear a lot of things up for the rest of us regarding your thought process. Do you believe in evolution?
Yes I believe in evolution, which is why I would help a human and not a dog, if our species put other animals before ourselves we wouldn't be alive.
That's not necessarily true, there are plenty of examples of symbiotic relationships between us and other animals. The point is that a dog's suffering is no different than a person's suffering. They feel pain just like we do, and baking from the inside out is just as awful for them as us. You might value a human LIFE over a dog's, but how can you value a human's wallet over a dog's life? I just can't wrap my head around it, it's pathetic.
Well for a start you buy a dog and they're cheaper than a car window. Anyway that isn't my point, I said it's not your job to break into peoples cars just because you don't like something. There are plenty of people suffering in the world right now and you're doing fuck all about it.
Could I do more to help end suffering just like everyone else? Hell yes I could, but if I see it right in front of my eyes, and I have an opportunity to immediately make an impact, you better believe I'm going to take it. You might buy a dog, but that doesn't mean it's not a life. A couple hundred years ago you could buy a human, you going to excuses how slaves were treated too? And I'm not comparing those two things directly, I'm just making a point...just because you can buy it doesn't mean its only value is that which society deems it is worth in a monetary sense. Breaking into a car just because you don't like something is breaking into their car because they have an insensitive bobblehead on their dash. We're talking about breaking into a car to prevent a living creature from dying a horrible death.
So what you're saying is suffering is ok, unless you can see it. And humans should never have been able to have been bought in the first place, we're not arguing about whether dogs should allowed to be bought. Also you'd have no idea how well the dog is without medically examining it, anything's gonna look unhappy if it's in a warm car but it doesn't mean it's about to die and it's your duty to break into the car, call the police, they should arrive within 5-10 mins and the dog will be fine.
I never said suffering is okay if I can't see it, I admitted that just like everyone else I should do more to help end suffering. What I said is that if suffering is right in front me, ignoring it would be disgusting. Suffering in Africa, or suffering related to the actions of millions rather than just myself, isn't something I can single-handedly fix, and it isn't something I know how to fix. An animal dying in a car IS something I know how to fix. If I come upon a car with an owner inside and he'll probably be back in a minute and the dog looks like it's fine, I'll wait. If the dog starts to deteriorate a bit, I'll call the police. If it's 90 degrees out, I know the dog has been there for at least 10 minutes, and it's losing consciousness, I won't think twice about busting your damn window in, and I'll happily accept any legal repercussions.
No but you see my point, you've taught yourself that it's ethically ok to end suffering but only if you can see it and is convenient to you.
No, once again, I have not taught myself that. I don't think it's okay to ignore suffering if I don't see it, I don't think it's okay at all. What I DO think is that it's less okay to ignore suffering that you have the ability to stop. I don't have the ability to stop most suffering.
Anyone can donate money to charities and anyone (barring age and disabilities) can work.
Well at this point I've got an empty bank account, I'm working through college, and barely have enough to eat and shelter myself, so I'm not sure how much you want me to donate. This particular argument with me is actually rather pointless, because one of the central tenants of my life aspirations is to do as much as I can to help end suffering. That's why I'm going to college, that's why I want to be successful. So I can do my part.
I don't want you to donate anything, I was just pointing out the flaw in your argument.
You also don't value the life of a dog more than a window apparently, shithead.
I like this guy
For the record, this is in response to Misterlavalamp, not shithead tokygawa
It wouldn't be my dog or window so no.
Again, I didn't say it was ok. But it definitely isn't worse. And i'm not talking about 5-10 minutes, I'm talking about a long period of time. On a hot day, they will NOT be ok, especially if the owner has not left any water.
Breaking a window isn't playing God, dumbfuck, choosing to let a dog slowly overheat in your car until it dies is. On a hot day it only takes 15 minutes to kill that dog.
Before reading my comment, please know I'm not mad at you for saying what you did, but instead for being so rude about it. When someone says something you disagree with or is wrong, you don't need to be rude to them. If you are, they'll never listen to you, and never learn. Even when it is something you are emotional about, it is often better to remain calm in what you say, otherwise you can come across as a fanatical kook. I'm not saying you are, but not being polite gets us nowhere. That being said, the chart you presented is clearly misleading for a few reasons. First and foremost, the main reason a car will heat up is because of the sun shining on it, transferring more heat. If it's 95 degrees out and a cloudy day, I doubt the car will get to 140. It may well increase to a higher temperature, but, based solely on Newton's laws of cooling, never 140. Second, the graph represents more of a "rule of thumb" method. If you have a black car, it will get hotter. A white one will stay cooler. Third, the graph shows a sad little puppy. While this is a small addition, it implies reasonably well that this may involve a good deal of propaganda in it. I'm not saying it's okay to leave a dog in the car, I'm just asking you to be more polite to a guy who won't respond to assault (no one would) but maybe to kindness, and to not cite something as an end all be all source when it has many issues. If you've read this far, thank you. This comment took a while to write.
I did indeed read it. Quite frankly, some people should be dealt with politely and some people need to be sent a very clear message from their peers that what they are saying is not okay. I didn't mean for the chart to be an end all be all, which is why I mentioned that it was the most moderate one...I had been shopping around, because I know none of them are an end all be all. But the fact that that IS the most moderate should say something; that's the point I was making with that one.
Actually, this brings up the perfect example; when I first read your comments, I saw you as a kind of angry person who had substance to what he was saying, but was to invigorated to carry it out as well as possible. Now, I see you as a reasonable, relatively understanding person. It shined a new light on the other stuff you said, and makes that seem much more logical, and makes me like you a heck of a lot more.
You're easily persuaded.
Open-mindedness is a valuable trait that many people do not possess, Tokugawa. Muchoman never said he approves of the way I handled your misguidedly nihilistic ass, he just said he gained new insight into it.
I noticed, he actually actually said he thought you were angry, which you were, and now he's down a complete 360 degrees because of one comment you made in comparison 3 hateful spouts of you're self-created superiority.
I don't hate people like you, but I certainly do hate their attitudes. I -loathe- attitudes like yours. That doesn't mean I can't be reasonable. Sure I got a little carried away, but if I were truly unreasonable I would have called you a lot more names and wouldn't have tried to present you with logic. I wouldn't have wasted effort actually trying to discuss it, I would have just attacked your character and moved on. And in fact, I don't think the name-calling was extremely unreasonable, I think that level of anger is a pretty standard reaction to the things you said, other people just may not have vocalized it. You can tell me I'm wallowing in self-created superiority all you want, but I never said I was better than you. I would still (at this point) respect your opinion in a political debate, for example. You simply have one belief system which I have zero respect for, and that is your belief of the value of life and suffering. In that one, specific, respect, I think my "self-created superiority" holds up, and I'm not afraid to say that. My belief that a dog's life (and lack of intense suffrage) is worth more than a car window, or the money required to replace it, is better than yours that it is not.
Yes but I could've easily responded by calling you names because I'm offended by what you say (because we disagree). The problem with coming across angry is that even if you have a perfectly logical point and great argument, people will veer away from you because of the way you act. Just because you act more offended doesn't make you right. I have a belief system we should look out for ourselves and someone else's dog objectively isn't my problem. They'll have to deal with the repercussions and I feel no guilt from that.
In this case the strong emotional reaction had no effect on you, which is why I changed my tone. In many cases, however, a strong emotional reproach is effective in an instance like this. The reason I responded so strongly is because I consider the idea that the dog is only its owner's problem to be a lot more than a difference in opinion. It's a disgusting ideology that should be repressed so it doesn't spread, and when dealing with many people a strong reaction like that will cause them to be much more apprehensive to share that opinion in the future.
I don't really think that's the case, it works when you're a child, but whenever I hear an argument between two adults and one's shouting/swearing or whatever, it's hard to remain objective when that guy is making himself look like an idiot. It's only a disgusting ideology to you, if owners knew they had the sole responsibility of looking after they're dog maybe they'd do a better job of it.
I've certainly seen the same work with adults, and I don't think I was making myself look like an idiot...brief tyrades are socially acceptable when the receiving party is being enough of a twat. Anyway, not the point of this discussion. I think your logic is rather flawed as it pertains to this situation, because allowing a dog that is likely going to die to die is unlikely to prevent future deaths. We hear about babies dying in cars every year, but those numbers still aren't dropping. Maybe if we let those numbers get even higher by not saving them anymore they would start to drop though...after all, if parents knew they had the sole responsibility of looking after their young maybe they'd do a better job of it.
Maybe inbred adults, you're never gonna see a lawyer shouting in a courtroom as an effective strategy of making his argument. Not necessarily, for one the dog isn't guaranteed to die, most dogs can last up to an hour, maybe less if it's really hot. Breaking into a window after 10 minutes may have eased the dog but then there's still a chance the dog will run away or even attack a human, both of which are even more disastrous than it possibly dieing. Idiots shouldn't have to rely on strangers to save their dogs, instead if they knew no-one will help them they wouldn't risk killing their dog and going to jail for the sake of going inside a store or whatever for 30 minutes.
Most dogs can NOT last up to an hour in the sun if it's 80+ degrees out, that's ridiculous...and the owner isn't going to go jail. The owner likely won't even lose the dog, they just won't leave it in the car for 15 minutes in the baking sun next time because that one time some asshole (in their mind) smashed their window in.
That's why I said it was dependant on temperature. Actually you can be fined up to 20,000 pounds and 6 months in prison in the UK, I'm sure there's a similar law in America depending on the state of course.
Oh wow, I know in California there is, but prison time is far too progressive for animal rights in the united states. In some areas you technically could face that, but it's highly unlikely that it would actually be carried out as a sentence.
(haha just to clarify, I'm not separating CA from the rest of the US exactly, it's just that they tend to go a bit more to those extremes than the rest of the country on issues like this, and so that's one area I could actually see the sentence being carried out)
Didn't Michael Vick go to prison for 18 months for dog fighting? I don't know if that was for animal cruelty or illegal sport or both however.
Yeah, that's a bit of a different situation, though. He was intentionally forcing dogs to fight each other, which is looked at as a very different circumstance from an idiot leaving their dog in a car...as it should be. And in fact, I think sending someone to prison for leaving their dog in a car may be a bit -too- extreme. It's terrible, and I think they should never be allowed to own a dog again (just like a dog fighter is legally prohibited from owning a dog) but prison doesn't seem to accomplish anything. It's punishment for punishment's sake.
Yes I think a prison sentence here is for extreme animal cruelty, so only if the dog died would the person go to prison. And yeah I agree, I always thought they should give prisoners an avocation or trade to learn, a lot of people are in prison because of a lack of education or bad up-bringing, giving them something to focus on such as cooking or carpentry would work.
A few prison systems do that here in minimum security prisons. And actually you might be surprised to realize I meant even if the dog dies in the car a prison sentence might be a little too much. I'm on the fence with that one, though.
Yeah one prison here did it, thought it was a great idea. Really? How do you further animal cruelty other than letting an animal die?
Well I think prison is absolutely acceptable in a case like Vick, but if you're an idiot who left your animal in a car, prison just seems pointless. Slap them with a significant fine, never let them have an animal again, and move on. I think it's disgusting, but that doesn't mean taking 6+ months of the person's life away is going to accomplish anything.
So Tokugawa does have a point that destroying a window is bad, and Mr. Lava has one that leaving the dog to suffer is worse. Right. How about we all agree that, if we saw a dog in a car, we'd at least wait a few minutes, 5ish, to see if the owner is coming to take any action, like going into the store and telling the staff, calling 911, or, as a very last resort, breaking the window to save the dog. How does all of this sound? If not, you guys could just agree to disagree and move on.
@Mucho: Haha that's pretty much the point we're at here though...not that I ever said I wouldn't follow those steps, which I would, because I'm sane. Walking up to someone's car with a health barking dog in it would be absurd, and clearly worthy of admonition.
Walking up to someone's car with a healthy barking dog in it, and breaking the window*
Tokugawa bro, I'm actually on your side overall here. I don't think people should damage vehicles in this case, at least without waiting a few minutes to see if the owner is coming around. I did a "complete 360" on Mr. Lava (sounds like an Austin Powers villain when put like that) because he explained why he reacted as he did. Since he more or less implied he'd not be rude later, why shouldn't I, and you, be dandy about that? This is Tickld, we all can be friends! <3
Yeah I was referring to his explanation, he said some people need to be dealt with politely and otherwise, as if he somehow immediately knew the logic behind what I said. The problem with the rest of it is, is that his go-to response to a controversial topic is rants filled with swearing which comes off childish. And yes I agree <3
Well, that was what my diving in here was about. And now we can all be happy! Yay! (You know, for a guy whose username is "Muchoman" I sure don't act like it.)
Even if not politely though, we don't need to be outright rude. Firm is certainly a good thing to go with in some cases, you're definitely right there. Now, please enjoy this smiley with a posh cap. (:P
And here's a chart of how long it takes a car to heat up in the sun at different temperatures. This is the most conservative one I've seen actually, and it's still pretty extreme. Maybe THAT will be enough to penetrate your stupid.
You need to take the value and suffering of another life into much stronger consideration, friend. When a dog dies in a hot car its organs are literally turning to mush. Why don't we put you in a hot car for five minutes and see how you feel? Your attitude fucking disgusts me.
perfect for the dog to roll around in shattered glass huh?
Auto-Glass doesn't break into sharp shards
Yeah, while you really shouldn't leave your dog in the car on hot days, you shouldn't break someone else's window either. Like others have said, the dog could get confused and think you're attacking. Or the owner might be nearby and literally coming back in five minutes. If you are really concerned make a call to whatever city service makes sense, around me it's probably 311 and not the cops. Smaller towns might only have cops. But call the precinct not 911.
1) That dog could be violent, have fun getting mauled.
2) A dog sitting in a car for 5 minutes is not going to hurt it. If it bothers you, stand by the car for 15 minutes. If no one comes out, call the police. Seriously I don't know where everyone gets this idea that a few minutes in a hot car will kill a dog. Their owner could be getting them treats and more poo bags right that moment, being a good owner...Now if it's a long time that's a different story. I can't believe with how many dogs and dog owners in the world people hear "dog in car" and freak out. He'll be fine for longer than you will.
I think the person who made this clearly meant for a long time.. Even if they didn't write that..
For all you know, the dog could have been in there for half an hour, and an extra 15 minutes won't do it any good if that's how long its been in there. Breaking a window is extreme, but call the police immediately after checking obvious places for the owner (nearby shop or restaurant if its in a car park). The police can then contact the owner via mobile phone if its on the records of the driving authorities (such as the DVLA)
I was walking to the store on a hot day when I noticed a dog in a car right outside the store. The car had a "dog in car" sticker on the window, and since it was right outside the store I figured the owners probably were about to return in a short while.
I went inside the store, bought my stuff, went back to the car and waited outside it (leaning against a wall and pretending to text so nobody would get suspicious) until the owners returned with their shopping.
The window was open a bit and the dog seemed perfectly fine, but you never know, right?
Yep, gonna babysit a car 'cause I have nothing else to do. Smashing a window probably isn't a great idea either, but your suggestions are pretty fucking dependent on people being out and about for the sake of procrastinating.
So you'd break a window in the case of someone taking five minutes because you're too lazy to make sure it isn't just a five minute thing? That's like saying you'd shoot someone for looking threatening to you rather than waiting to find out if they are a real threat (Trayvon Martin died for that.) So don't use logic like this; hurting stuff without knowing the full story, taking violent action without understanding, never goes well. He's proposing you take the time to figure things out. Instead of shoot first, ask questions first.
I was arrested for this a few years ago. It was worth it tho. The police didnt even charge me, only arrested me because the lady was going ballistic.
Good on you. Hope they arrested her too.
Its all fun and games til that confused and scared dog mauls your face off.
I think you raise a valid point, but something does need to be done. Maybe call the cops? I'm not sure.
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